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  1. Cor Kuipers

    gedcom upload

    after months I finally got my site up but not running, whatever I do I can't upload a gedcom to the server I put a gedcom file on my server, but working upload from my computer not working I'm nnow at the point of throwing the towel. Ca anyone provide some help. greeting from a desperate cor kuipers
  2. Dave Short

    Upload Place Level

    Can I upload Place Level in my Gedcom? My home system splits places into levels like TNG, but how do I Indicate the level when I am uploading a place? Dave
  3. Hanne B. Stegemüller

    Solved: Character set problem with just one individual

    Hi I need a little bit of help from clever experts. In Danish we have many special characters i.e. æ, ø, å - and we often use ü, which I also have in my own surname. Issue: On data about myself all the characters are wrong. On all others persons they are correct. Here is an example: https://tng.stegemueller.dk/getperson.php?personID=I630&tree=HBS You can see that Stegemüller is correct on my father Jørgen Stegemüller in the field "Name". The line line below with the field "Relationship" I am spelled "Stegem?ller". If you go to data about me here: https://tng.stegemueller.dk/getperson.php?personID=I1&tree=HBS you'll see that it is crazy with all the special characters. Data/characters about myself in the GEDCOM-file are correct. The GEDCOM-file is encoded with: "1 CHAR UTF-8". (Data come from Legacy Pro) Notepad++ tells: UTF-8 in the right corner in the bottom. In TNG I have the same as always: Setup >> Configuration >> General Settings: Language folder = "Danish UTF-8" and Character set: "UTF-8" In phpMyAdmin the database has collation as always: utf8_unicode_ci I have never experienced this before. How can it be correct on everybody except me? What can I do to make everybody correct? Well edited: If you look here: https://tng.stegemueller.dk/search.php?mybool=AND&myfirstname=&mylastname=wagnholt you can see, that there are more issues wit i.e. "ø"
  4. Larry

    Syncing with Legacy

    I lost interest in genealogy about 10 years ago. I had my TNG website for years before that and kept it online without doing anything until I had to upgrade to keep it online a few weeks ago. That shows how good it is. Anyway, I have forgotten a lot and now I need someone to perk my memory up. Back then I remember using Legacy to enter info. It was easier to carry my notebook around and add info. No access to the internet when I went out to gather info. Now I have things in Legacy that are not in TNG and the other way around. What is the best way to get them together? I am thinking of merging the TNG gedcom with Legacy and then taking the resulting gedcom from Legacy and merging it with TNG. Is this the best way? I am worried about losing TNG links to pictures and documents. I have over 13000 people in both databases and losing links to media would be terrible. Larry Simpson larrygen.com
  5. John Paul

    Pedigree Layout

    Hey Yall. On my live site and bothe my test sites, I have an issue with the pedigree layout, The first 2 or 3 generations have no lines connecting the boxes. Does someone have a fix for this?
  6. Hello again, as i said in my last post i'm Mine and just joined the TNG13 users (https://stories-through-time.de/) Up till now i used Heredis 2021 as the software for my genealogy. There i set the people, sources and media as private that should be private. When i import the gedcom into tng this "private" flag is imported as a custom event with the value "privacy" and the person/media/source is not set as private. It actually creates 2 identical custom events, one linked to people and one linked to sources, but none for media. So i've been wondering what to do... As i understood it, if the media is linked to a living person and the user is not permitted to watch living people the media won't be shown. Did i understand that correctely? But then does this work with the private flag as well? I thought about using a SQL command to set everything with that custom event as private but i'm a bit scared to smash the db with the wrong command since i don't have a clue about SQL... And since there are quite a few jpegs which are private but the source its linked to is not (because i dont have publishing rights or don't want the scans to be shown, stuff like that) i still have the problem with the media. Still it would be better to set all the media as private and correct the ones which are not private manually, than to do it the other way.... Can anyone help me with this? Thanks! Mine P.S. Happy Easter!
  7. I tried to export a GEDCOM with >4000 Individuals. Export stops after #I21. I've opened this new thread, because this seems to be another problem than "Cannot make Gedcom Export" from Jan van den Heuvel When I try to Export my entire TNG-Environment to GEDCOM including media-links, I see: and the Gedcom-File created just contains 21 Individuals entries. I have TNG v13.1.1 installed and I use PHP 7.4
  8. I maintain my genealogy information with a separate desktop application and regularly update my TMG site by importing a gedcom file. In this gedom I include also any media links and I make sure to upload the jpg to the appropiate folders. Media to the standard collections are importing correctly and added to the right collection. The problem is with custom collections like the collection 'building' I created. Although I think I configurered everything properly, when importing building they end up in the photo collection and not in the buildings collection. Consequently media cannot be found in TNG as it's looking in the wrong folder. I can munally correct this but everytime I do an import with buildings the wrongs one are created again. What are the steps I'm doing: - The building collection has the following parameters: export as: BUILDING Foldername: gebouwen local path: c:\haza_export\media\gebouwen\ Same setup as: photos - gecom extract: 0 @I1@ INDI 1 NAME Alexander Carel /Appelius van Hoboken/ 1 OBJE 2 FORM jpg 2 FILE c:\haza_export\media\gebouwen\Appelius van Hoboken\Boezemsingel 23 (2003).jpg 2 TITL Boezemsingel 23 2 _TYPE BUILDING 2 NOTE <B> Woonhuis Alex en Inge van Hoboken (2003-) Thanks for any help/advice Alex
  9. Hanne B. Stegemüller

    Solved: Documents have to be added manually

    Solved: Legacy was handled the wrong way. Hi there experts I am (still) helping @Steen Riis Thomsen with bist.dk. He needs to upload documents, where I have no experience myself. I/we do this: Control in "Setup >> Configuration >> General Settings" that the name for the Document Folder has the default name "documents" Control in the GEDCOM file that there is a link to a document (specifically a .pdf but also tried with Word docs) on the correct individual Control that this .pdf (or Word doc) document is sent with FileZilla to /public_html/documents/ Import the GEDCOM with check mark in Import media links. The problem is: documents are not automatically linked to the individual. But exactly the same procedure automatically links images to the individual. He has to link documents to the individual manually. TNG version is 13.1.1. Browser cache is cleared. Am I missing something?
  10. Rachael Williams

    Okay. I am fed up.

    What Desktop Genealogy Software do I need to buy? I need TNG to import a GEDCOM file that will link to the images that I have uploaded to the server, and not just the file name of the images! I will use the newly purchased desktop software, as an intermediary step, in order to import my FTM Gedcom and create a new Gedcom that was processed through this new software so that I am able to have a working TNG website.
  11. I have collected numerous GEDCOM files (50-60) from various family members and others. I'm now retired and now want to merge/extract these files into one entity. There are obviously duplicates, some with more information than others. I am trying to decide what methods to use. I've thought of trying a GEDCOM to SQL parser but defining the schema and all of the tables and dependencies seems overwhelming. I've also tried using manual duplicate/view/edit functions in some of the available genealogy apps, but that seems tedious and non-productive. Has anyone faced this same situation? Can TNG do this somehow? If I import all 50-60 files into TNG will I end up with a mess? And how did you go about solving it?
  12. GerryG

    Export Gedcon

    When I try to export a gedcon file all I see on the export page is a blank white sheet. Are we not able to export from V10.0.1 anymore?
  13. Hava Porat

    Create GEDCOM file

    I try to export my tree by creating a GEDCOM file. for some reason it have some issues but i can see the number of members, families etc... but as i click on download GEDCOM i get 404 and 1KB. how can t get proper GEDCOM file? thanks for helping
  14. SOLVED Hi, very new to TNG. Running Win 10 Pro, Family Tree Maker 2019, TNG V13.0.4. Have done Gedcom from FTM of full database of which is more than 9600 people but only 734 media (photos) at this stage. I have followed the step by step instructions for Import Data and Import Media Using Gedcom, but without success. I am well aware that Gedcom does not contain the media but the links to the paths where the media is on your computer. I have used a Gedcom Editor to confirm the File path way of which is: D:\Family Tree Maker Data\Ailsa01Jan2021 Media\ (The program runs on C drive but the data is on D drive) All are jpg format and all are linked correctly in the database. I think it is the path on TNG in which I am getting wrong. I have tried not having anything in the Setup/Configuration/Import Settings for the Local Paths; have tried as per document with Photos at the end of the path; also tried photos; headstones; documents etc as set out in the demo page. I have also tried uploading the Media to Photos via FTP - all without any luck. I get the correct links showing for the Media, but when go to click to view or test there is No Media showing at all regardless of what I seem to be doing. In fact I am now so confused I do not know what I have or have not done. After the Media has been imported, I have checked for any sort of conversion that needs to be done - but this is confusing as all come in as photos and not Headstones etc. I have also done the Generate Thumbnails before doing any further testing. I do not want to have to link each Media item to every single person that it relates to manually. I have no issues with the Gedcom import, all data, notes and details come in correctly - just the issue with the linked media not showing. As I need to continue to work in Family Tree Maker for my data entry, I need to be able to have this happening correctly, as I cannot afford to spend time each time I do an update of the Gedcom into TNG later on. Any plain forward help is appreciated. I feel like I am doing something wrong in the Import Settings with the path to my Media so any help in that part or screenshot would be greatly appreciated. Or if I do upload the Media via FTP am I putting it into the right section of Photos, but then the issue is that the path to link the Media to the event or person is incorrect and means I have to manually adjust. Hope you can understand all of this. Thanks in advance Ailsa
  15. Hanne B. Stegemüller

    SOLVED: GEDCOM tags are present but events are not shown

    Solved: Issue with missing date pr. cite/citation was an issue with export from Legacy 9. I need a little bit of assistance with two topics: I have not changed my "recipe" (I hereby mean settings 😎) of how to import GEDCOM-files, but something has changed anyway: 1. usually the date when I had last worked on an individual was shown beside each source in the lower part of an individuals page. I myself like to see if it is old data or recently found data, that I find, and of course I like to show this information to my visitors as well. But suddenly they have "disappeared". I.e. this guy: Axel Simon Andersen Marienlund: https://tng.stegemueller.dk/getperson.php?personID=I402&amp;tree=HBS has this information in the GEDCOM but it is not visible in TNG: 1 CHAN 2 DATE 16 Jan. 2022 3 TIME 21:02 Can anyone tell me what I do wrong? 2. The same person has these occupations in the GEDCOM, but they are not visible in TNG: 1 OCCU Kunstmaler 2 DATE Mar. 1915 2 PLAC Anna Sogn, Sokkelund Herred, Københavns Amt, Denmark 2 NOTE Ågade hører til enten Anna Sogn eller Brorsons Sogn i 1915 2 SOUR @S246@ 3 PAGE København amt, Sokkelund, Vartov Hospitals Menighed, 1913-1 4 CONC 935, KM, Fødte, Konfirmerede, Viede, Døde - opslag: 79 af 1 4 CONC 64 opslag 3 QUAY 4 1 OCCU Tegnelærer og kunstmaler 2 DATE Apr. 1947 2 PLAC Johannes Døbers Sogn, Sokkelund Herred, Københavns Amt, Denmark 2 SOUR @S246@ 3 PAGE København amt, Sokkelund, Johannes Døber, 1941-1961, KM, Dø 4 CONC de - opslag: 44 af 305 opslag 3 QUAY 4 I've tried to analyse what is going on about the occupations - and I'll show some examples, because I can't find the logic in this: Myself: https://tng.stegemueller.dk/getperson.php?personID=I1&amp;tree=HBS: No occupations in TNG. But GEDCOM has these: 1 OCCU Fuldmægtig 2 DATE Fra Jun. 1990 til 1995 1 OCCU Specialkonsulent, chefkonsulent, projektleder og souschef i staten 2 DATE Fra 1995 til 2013 2 PLAC København My father: https://tng.stegemueller.dk/getperson.php?personID=I630&amp;tree=HBS Occupation is shown in TNG, and GEDCOM has this: 1 OCCU Driftsleder i tekstilindustrien My fathers father: https://tng.stegemueller.dk/getperson.php?personID=I851&amp;tree=HBS No occupations in TNG. But GEDCOM has this: 1 OCCU Driftsleder hos a/s Chr. Juncher Note: And just to make sure: all my eventtypes are marked with "Accept" "On import". And I've double checked in phpMyAdmin where the all have "1" in the "Keep"-field. If any one can see which mistake(s) I make, I'll be glad. I'm pretty sure the issue(s) is not only related to these two tags - but I can't prove it.
  16. Hello everyone. Hope this finds you all doing well. ok, I do all my data entry in TNG on my local wampserver. This past week I've been changing names and optimizing for the web, documents, headstones and photos. Now I'm tasked to doing all the data entry for all those files, ie, description, link to person, etc. once I have that part of the project done locally, I'll export a gedcom file (create a backup first...) then import it into the live site. on the live site i already have populated the documents, headstones and photos folders and generated thumbnails. I should be ok with this method? if not,which approach should i take? Thanks everyone.
  17. Hallo TNG Benutzer, zunächst wünsche ich ein gesundes neues und erfolgreiches Jahr 2022. Keine Corona19 Infektionen. Nun zu mienem Problem: TNG Rel 13.0.2 und Windows 10 mit aktuellen Updates. Ich wollte bei einem Kinder Ergänzungen vornehmen und habe dann durch Zufall festgestellt, dass dort 2 Eltern vorhanden sind. Die Verbindung zu den 2. Eltern konnte ich zum Glück online lösen. Ich habe die aktuelle DB exportiert (GEDCOM-Datei) und mit dem STAMMBAUM DRUCKER Programm prüfen lassen. Das Programm benötigt die GEDCOM Datei als Eingabe. Zu meinem Schrecken musste ich feststellen, dass über 100 Kinder aus unterschiedlichen Familien 2 Eltern hatten. Die 2. Eltern waren unterschiedlich. Außerdem sind bei anderen Familien die Reihenfolge der Kinder nicht nach dem Geburtsdatum sortiert. Hier ist wohl eine Online Lösung wohl nicht vorhanden. Was habe ich falsch gemacht, bzw. wo liegt der Fehler? KATHARINA SABINA STRASSER V. NEIDEGG (I457) weiblich SpeichernNotizenQuellenVerbindungen Zuletzt bearbeitet: 24 Apr 2014 01:00:00 Anzeige umschaltenName Vorname(n) Nachname KATHARINA SABINA STRASSER V. NEIDEGG Geschlecht Beiname/Spitzname Titel Präfix Suffix Sortierung Weiblich Standard Lebend Vertraulich Stammbaum: Ankershofen (Bearbeiten ) Zweig: Kein Zweig (Bearbeiten ) Anzeige um Hinweisereignisse: Datumsangaben bitte im Format 'TT MMM JJJJ' (z.B. 10 Mar 2004). Datum Ort Geburt: Taufe: Tod: Beerdigung: Eingeäschert Taufe (LDS): Konfirmation (LDS): Vorverordnungen (LDS): Besiegelung (LDS): Andere Ereignisse: Anzeige umschaltenEltern (2) Ziehen Familie: F198 Vater: MARTIN STRASSER V. NEIDEGG - I469 (geb. ~~ um 1556, gest. 1626) Beziehung: Mutter: EUPHEMIA v . PUERHING ( PIRCHING ) - I470 (gest. vor 1607) Beziehung: Datum Ort Besiegelt mit Eltern (LDS): Ziehen Verknüpfung dieser Person lösen (I457) als Kind Familie: F180 Vater: WOLFF BÄNKHL - I648 Beziehung: Mutter: MARIA GEBHARDT - I649 Beziehung: Datum Ort Besiegelt mit Eltern (LDS): Anzeige umschaltenEhe- / Lebensabschnitt (1) Familie: F187 Partner: PHILIBERT SCHRANTZ VON SCHRANTZENEGG U. FORCHTENSTEIN - I456 (geb. ~~ 1590, gest. 9 Mrz 1638 Verheiratet: 8 Jan 1612 Kinder: 1. FRANZ PHILIBERT (seit 1652) SCHRANZ FREIHERR V. SCHRANTZENEGG U. FORCHTENSTAIN - I442 (Keine Geburts-Angaben, gest. 2 bzw. 22 Mrz 1680) ******** (ADMINANKERSHOFEN) Anzeige umschaltenEhe- / Lebensabschnittspartner Vater: JAN I HEER van EGMOND (geb. etwa 1310, gest. 28 Dez 1368) - I172 Mutter: GUYOTE van AMSTEL (geb. etwa 1314, gest. etwa 1377) - I173 Lebend Vertraulich Stammbaum: Ankershofen Zweig: Kein Zweig (Bearbeiten ) Anzeige umEreignisse Hinweis: Datumsangaben bitte im Format 'TT MMM JJJJ' (z.B. 10 Mar 2004). Datum Ort Verheiratet: vor 31 Mar 1331 Ijsselstein, Utrecht, Netherlands Art der Partnerschaft: Besiegelt mit Ehepartner (LDS): Geschieden: Andere Ereignisse: Anzeige umschaltenKinder (11) Sortieren Kind Ziehen ALBRECHT van EGMOND - I174 geb. etwa 1341, gest. nach 1389 Ziehen BEATRIJS van EGMOND - I175 geb. etwa 1332, gest. nach 14 Mrz 1389 Ziehen BARTHA OR BAERTE van EGMOND - I176 geb. etwa 1334/1342, gest. 1413 Ziehen AREND van EGMOND UND IJSSELSTEIN - I169 geb. 1337, gest. 9 Apr 1409 (Alter 72) Ziehen CATHARINA van EGMOND - I177 geb. etwa 1338 Ziehen WILLEM van EGMOND - I178 geb. etwa 1339 Ziehen Verknüpfung lösen | LöschenANTONIA van EGMOND - I179 geb. etwa 1343 Ziehen ELISABETH van EGMOND - I180 geb. etwa 1345 Ziehen GRIETE van EGMOND - I181 geb. etwa 1347 Ziehen MARIA van EGMOND - I182 geb. etwa 1350 Ziehen GERRIT van EGMOND - I183 geb. etwa 1355, gest. nach 1404 ********************************* Gruß Peter Ziegenfuss aus Berlin
  18. Hanne B. Stegemüller

    Different issues - is that okay?

    SOLVED. Finally it makes sense and I think I know what is going on Thanks to everybody who joined in. I have learned a lot. <hr> Hi there - and happy new year to everyone in this lovely community! I hope it is okay to ask more questions in one thread. If not please tell me. (I have not installed the latest update from Darrin yet.) 1. Problems with stillborn: I use Legacy and register stillborn children with the correct type, which in Danish is "Dødfødt". TNG does not show this information. Why? When I check the GEDCOM it says "2 TYPE Dødfødt" for example for this person: https://tng.stegemueller.dk/getperson.php?personID=I1935&tree=HBS. Of course TNG does not understand Danish! When I check tng_eventtypes it shows that the event is an EVEN and not marked with the gedcom code STIL Does this mean there is an error in Legacy because it should return the GEDCOM code STIL? How can I fix the problem? Could I make search and replace in the GEDCOM? In case, what should it look like? But I make new imports fairly often so it would be extra work each time. 2. Share-button does not show icons: Earlier the "Share-button" in the menu line, did show icon for Facebook and a couple of others. These icons do not show up any more. How do I get them back? 3. Number of Custom Event Types: I have 79 event types, but I think the number of times they are used is much to small. I.e. ADOP seems not to be used at all (has a "0"). But I am adopted myself so there should at least be "1". The GEDCOM file has this "2 TYPE Adopteret". If I search relationship to father in Legacy I have 13 with the eventtype "Adopteret". Again is it a problem in Legacy? Another example is "MARB" (which I have translated to "Publication of the banns"). That is also "0" but I know I have many of them. Of course I have not been straight using the event types for all the 18 years I have done genealogy because the first years I had no idea I would make a website with TNG. But now I think I have a fairly good understanding of how a database works Is there something I have completely misunderstood?
  19. Paulsoz

    Import TNG en Tags

    Two questions: 1. Importing a gedcom from Pro-gen (Dutch genealogy program) causes problems. Tags like RELI, REFN, _CHUR, _WITH are not imported into TNG, even when I add an unknown tag in TNG or use the 'EVEN' tag. I've read the Help page but don't quite understand its contents. 2. Can someone explain to me which order I should indicate in TNG after the relevant tags. Is that the same order as in the gedcom export from Pro-gen?
  20. John Paul


    Trying to import a couple of gedcom files into my fresh installation of tng 13.1. it says the path is c:\fakepath\tmp....or something like that. Whats that all about? and it just sits there spinning and doesn't import.... a little help would be appreciated.
  21. Marc Bourgeois

    Relatioship Data not imported

    I learned by chance that TNG doesn’t handle many RELATIONSHIP flags (Adopted, Stepchild, Foster, etc.) imported from a third-party software, in my case Ancesral Quest, used to manage genealogical data on a PC. It turns out that there is no real Gedcom standard for the handling of these relationships although Adoption tag via a PEDI statement where the Adoption applies to both parents seems to be accepted. The real issue arises when the child relationship does not apply to both parents equally as with the example of a stepchild is always the birth child of the other parent or when one parent adopts the child of a spouse from a previous marriage. These relationships are usually supported by 3rd level customs flag in the application. For TNG it is “_FREL” and “MREL” are the tags used and recognized within a Gedcom file. Other applications use their own version of these tags. In Ancestral Quest these are “_HUSB” and “_WIFE”. Given this TNG doesn’t recognize the relation and drops it on import so even if you enter them manually within TNG they will be erased when the record is reimported via a Gedcom. This is a real problem for those of u that reload the whole database via Gedcom on a regular basis. Working with Darrin I was able to come up with a working practice that allows me to conserve the relationships established in TNG. The steps are; 1- Identify all records containing these unbalanced relationships. 2- Create a Branch in TNG (mine is Adopted-Step) 3- Manually enter the appropriate relationships in TNG 4- For each relationship manually entered add a Label to the Branch for the Father of the family for which the relationship is unbalanced. The Label must be for the father only all other options must be “0” and no wife. Because many of the unbalance relationships will be repeated several times in a given family the Father only needs to be added once all the relationship data related to the father and the family will follow automatically in the end. 5- Steps three and four will need to be carried every time you add or modify a relationship in your desktop application. 6- Before updating TNG via a Gedcom import, export the Adopted-Step branch and conserve it. 7- Update TNG by importing your application created Gedcom which will update the database but remove all TNG unbalanced relationships. 8- Import the Adopted-Step Gedcom which will restore all relationships previously used in TNG. After doing this any changes made to the Father’s records in the desktop application will need to be done manually in TNG before running the next update or they will be wiped out on the next Adopted-Step Gedcom update as they were not in TNG when the export was done. Once done in TNG Step 6 will capture the data in the Gedcom and restore it. So what does the Adopted-Step export Gedcom contain, well it basically just the fathers’ related data, with family links and child links along with the TNG defined relationship. Given that many of these 3rd level tag exist and that TNG will handle them inconsistently this work process could help conserve desktop data in other circumstances.
  22. I have used Reunion's way of excluding certain content from showing when online in a gedcom by enclosing it in {content}--not sure what the proper name is for this kind of bracket! But I find it does not work in TNG. What does TNG require for hiding content within my online website?
  23. John Paul

    shceduling a gedcom export

    I was wondering if there's a way to setup a scheduled gedcom file every day. Searched the forums but didn't really see anything about it. I thought there was a way to do this. Could one of you experts point me in the right direction? Thanks
  24. Hello, everyone, after the update to 13.1 b2 I can no longer import Gedcom! Even a Gedcom file with one person no longer works! I always have the same import window and nothing happens! What do I do now ??? Please help me!!!
  25. After having experienced systemd-related problems with my earlier MariaDB 10.3 installation on my own server, I switched to MySQL 8. The server is Ubuntu 20.04 based. After completely removing the MariaDB 10.3 and all its config files I installed MySQL 8 and re-imported the TNG database (~58000 names) had dumped from MariaDB. It all seemed to run fine, until I had to update the database with an updated GEDCOM file from Gramps were I do my research. TNG is only used to provide the data online. What happened was that the GEDCOM import went superslow!! Like 100 names per minute!! It normally takes a few minutes to import the complete 58000. I have had this problem once before with TNG 12 when switching genealogy software on my laptop caused the database to be formatted into latin1 | latin1_swedish_ci. After having switched the database back to utf8 | utf8_general_ci it all worked normal again. However, this time the character set is ok. It's something else going on.The PHP logs shows nothing wrong at all, and using the data that's already in the database works like a charm. Only the import is erroneous After having tested the GEDCOM file with both Humogen and other TNG-type web tools I ended up totally cleaning out MySQL 8 and installing MariaDB 10.6, but the same problem occurred there. As a last resort I cleaned out the newly installed MariaDB 10.6 and went for the default Ubuntu 20.04 MariaDB which is 10.3, and it worked perfectly! I have not done anything to the PHP config during all these actions since PHP has been working fine all the time with my 3 Wordpress sites and more. Any clues? I'm good for now, but when Ubuntu 22.04 arrives in some months, what then?