mjaro Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, manofmull said: That's not exactly what I would call shorthand. Thus I wrote "shorthand" in quotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Roy Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Merci Michel, That looks like your suggestion will work in French. I do not know whether the same logic would apply in German since I do not read German. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjaro Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Jürgen and Michael, I see a way of creating sentences in which taking into account of both subject' and object' gender (it's probably a similar concept Jürgen mentioned) - according to the Michel's examples and french solution. It could be great if Jürgen could do german solution for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tngrlkrz Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 This is just an idea, since the mod appears still in the formative stage. The mod could have a compact option, where, similar to some other compact charts, the image is not displayed, but instead just the gender after the name. In the results listing, it would shorten the vertical space on the page when there are numerous paths displayed. In this example, of course the gender would best be added. It is still easy to follow without the images. Here's an example I generated with just one line of code changed. with images without images Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tngrlkrz Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 41 minutes ago, manofmull said: Ron Image links don't work for me Sorry..look again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjaro Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 An optional compact view (with optional? gender letter) seems to be quite simple to introduce. Please also comment if it is not disturbing the letter in brackets before the name? It is a heritage from early versions. One think I should correct is to make the whole box of every person clickable (and not only the name). Maybe you noticed that very long fullnames are now being shortened if needed. The mod Todo list is looong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tngrlkrz Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 29 minutes ago, manofmull said: Ron Compact ok if optional but I much prefer image 1 with thumbs Agreed, must be optional..ultimately up to Michal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel KIRSCH Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 hours ago, JPB said: erson 1 is male: reference to a male person = variable 1 (en: his; de: sein; fr: son; du: zijn) Person 1 is male: reference to a female person = variable 2 (en: his; de: seine; fr: sa; du: zijn) Person 2 is female: reference to a male person = variable 3 (en: her; de: ihr; fr: son; du: haar) Person 2 is female: reference to a female person = variable 4 (en: her; de: ihre; fr: sa; du: haar) 2 hours ago, Ken Roy said: That looks like your suggestion will work in French. I do not know whether the same logic would apply in German since I do not read German Dutch follows the same rules as English. They takes in account the sex of the 1st person German is particular. takes in account the sex of 1st and 2nd person. French takes in account the sex of the 2nd person only Michel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tngrlkrz Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, mjaro said: disturbing the letter in brackets I you mean the @, p, c, s in parentheses before the name...no, in my testing it didn't appear to alter it. And the gender would follow the name, like compact descendant and compact ancestor charts. Quote The mod Todo list is looong On the good side, it means you've contributed a popular mod! And my last suggestion should be low priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tngrlkrz Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, manofmull said: Personally, I would like the "@" removed. It's ugly and unnecessary. I find it useful...perhaps a different character, but it represents the 'head' of the unique (and cool) serpentine path this mod produces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjaro Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 The letters mean the relation to the previous person (spouse, child, parent, and @ for the first person). I added @ to make it easier (for a user) to see where this simple path diagram starts They all look ugly for me also, I will think how to make them invisible unless you advanced argue to keep it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Roy Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 If the starting person was blank, it would still be obvious where the path starts. However, you may need to change it to use a language specific designation since (s) for spouse, (c) for child, (p) for parent, and @ for the first person) might not mean the same thing in other languages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tngrlkrz Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 38 minutes ago, Ken Roy said: it would still be obvious where the path starts. Well, it can start going up or down, but always left to right. Might not be obvious to the casual viewer what direction the path is going. Maybe a explanatory comment at top of the chart, then all prefix characters could be omitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjaro Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 The first fullname is bolded now but it is rather faint... Unless another font is applied which makes bigger difference between normal and bold... (or just another font for the first peson?) Playing with fonta is not easy, many purist will criticise any choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tngrlkrz Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 minute ago, mjaro said: The first fullname is bolded now but it is rather faint... Unless another font is applied which makes bigger difference between normal and bold... (or just another font for the first peson?) Playing with fonta is not easy, many purist will criticise any choice. I think bolding is OK, maybe the primary (first) person and the secondary (last) person. Then could omit the @,p,c,s perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Roy Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 A different color for the starting box and ending box might work, if css classes were used so that they could be overridden by the user who wanted something different, but I think because the current styles are not being added to the genstyle.css that users might not be able to override the definitions like they can with mytngstyle.css. Personally I would like to see the charts in the same size container regardless of how many boxes are displayed, but that introduces another challenge. I have not looked at the code because I am still trying to fix some issues with the MediaWiki software upgrade on the TNG Wiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Roy Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Based on looking at the source code for the page, current CSS definitions cannot be overridden using the normal TNG mechanism where templatestyle.css overrides gentstyle.css for the given template and mytngstyle.css if the user wants additional overrides. So the connections.css definitions would need to be added in genstyle.css after the comment line /* Classes for TNG Mods to be added below */ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tngrlkrz Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Maybe simply have the hyperlink underline for appear for names in the start and end boxes. After more thought, I deleted my suggestion of color designation, since it seems to create more complicated css issues to satisfy user preferences across the many templates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Roy Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, tngrlkrz said: Maybe have the hyperlink underline appear on the start and end boxes. If it were done using a css class that could be overridden as I indicated in the previous post. Other wise only user who know how to create their own mods to change someone else code would be able to change it. Also if the mod does not follow TNG architecture, it becomes more difficult to convince Darrin to include the mod in a future TNG version without him rewriting part of the code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tngrlkrz Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Sounds like the simplest solution would be to omit all the ( ) prefixes from all the boxes. As to containers, I can see the wish for all to be the same size. Another option to avoid that would be to have no container, similar to other charts, with only boxes for each path, but have horizontal separation between each path in addition to the text. I fear we've overloaded Michal with all these ideas, but the core mod has great promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjaro Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 38 minutes ago, Ken Roy said: So the connections.css definitions would need to be added in genstyle.css I currently use the link to css only for avoiding a multiline part of cfg, and to remain template-independent. But I see - as the mod becomes more stable - that copying css to genstyle.css is definitely better solution, as Ken indicated. BTW some time ago in other discussion Ken gave me some useful advice on the subject of multiline replacements in cfg. As a result I created my private template. Then I copied part of its css as connections.css with additional css variables copied from the :root of my css (this is why some of the vatiables are unneeded here locally). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel KIRSCH Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Michal, text files for french. It seems that some variables are not used : $text['showspouses'] - $text['dospouses2'] (used in relationship.php, not in yout mod) - $text['mjaor'] - $text['sometimes'] (commented in nextpathsform and relateform) - $text['badID1'] - $text['badID2']. I think it's already signaled : some incoherence when only 1 connexion or 1 path, the text stay plural. You make a great job. Michel French-UTF8_custtext.php French_custtext.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPB Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 Good morning Michal, I send as attachment the German text file (from v13.0.2.2a ). Nothing needs to be changed for German needs (his/her). I could find a solution with the existing variables. If there are any changes, please get in touch. Everything no problem. ... only programming I can not, I'm sorry. I have just noticed the following irregularity: 1. the link "search for other connections" brings an Error 404. 2. after your Mod is installed, all "living" or "private" people are publicly visible. For this test I have installed the Mod (v13.0.2.2a) alone without other Mods. Jürgen German-UTF8_custtext.php added by me afterwards: ... and please add to the file "connections_v13.0.2.2a.cfg": %target:languages/German-UTF8/cust_text.php% %fileoptional:% %location:% //Mods should put their changes before this line, local changes should come after it. %end:% %insert:before% $text['connections'] = "Verbindungen"; # new tab title %end:% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjaro Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Michel KIRSCH said: text files for french. Bonjour Michel, Thank you very much! Please don't get annoyed for being so slow... Apart from my limited skills - extra-TNG life exists! Last year I accepted a lecture offer -despite retirement- from my University, and since then my time is veary thick... Michał Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjaro Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 hours ago, JPB said: I send as attachment the German text file Guten Morgen Jürgen! Thank you for translation and cfg code! aren't you a programmer? Thank you also for the errors detection (for the 1st I see the solution - this was a consequence of multiple renames; for 2nd I must look more deep). Thank you for your support. Michał Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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