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Hi all,

I'm still struggling with the way sources and citations are handled in a gedcom import in TNG... I've posted about this before, but without a solution.

As I'm doing an import from an FTM gedcom, I do use the convertor. As far as the sources go, I don't really see any difference "before" and "after" the conversion. I will post 2 replies below this post, the first with the original, the second with the converted gedcom for the first person mentioned below. Just to show they are the same and the problem lies - in my eyes - with the TNG import rather than the FTM export. TNG should be able to recognise two sources/citations with the same number and treat them as one. Which it does, sometimes. As shown below.

My problem is that in some profiles, one and the same citation is repeated and treated as if it were a different one. On this page, for example, citation [S328] is repeated as reference nrs. 3, 7, 12, 13, 18 and 21. At the bottom, the citation [S328] is shown 6 times, including the images, in stead of once. The same goes for all other citations.

When I look at another page, I see that sometimes it is correctly done: [S329] gets reference nr. 2 which is used in the name, birth and death facts. In the source list, [S329] is correctly listed only once, under nr. 2. Other citations, however, are (wrongly) repeated and treated as different. Just like the previous example. Citation [S339] is repeated in references 1, 12, 20 and 26, and appears 4 times in the sources list below.

1) why do some citations stay one, and are others split up? I find it really weird that the same situation is treated in two different manners...

2) what can I do to make them all like the above mentioned [S329], treated as one and the same?

3) how do I *not* show images in the source list below, and only the text? All images are already shown in either the facts section, or the media section. It is useless and not pretty to have them repeated again in the sources section. I do, however, want the images to remain connected to the sources/citations. I want to remain able to call the image when going to the source and vice versa.

 

***EDIT :*** I just noticed that [S328] refers to all 1871 censuses in my tree, [S329] to all death index references etc. So the Sxxx refers to the Source, not the citation. That's ok. But it still doesn't explain why in the above examples, [S329] is repeated as one, and [S328] is repeated 6 times with the same details...

 

Thanks for any tips,
Tom

PS to see my examples, I've created a temporary log-in name "guest" password "guest"; I'll delete it in a week or so, or when I have an answer to my problem

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THE ORIGINAL GEDCOM:

0 @I29724@ INDI
1 NAME William Henry /Graham/
2 SOUR @S344@
3 PAGE Reference Number: SOBG/111/9
3 OBJE @M429@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=60391&h=6688318&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true
2 SOUR @S340@
3 PAGE Class: RG 9; Piece: 351; Folio: 184; Page: 72; GSU roll: 542620
3 OBJE @M419@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8767&h=6288375&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true
2 SOUR @S328@
3 PAGE Class: RG10; Piece: 606; Folio: 37; Page: 12; GSU roll: 818910
3 OBJE @M219@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7619&h=5312946&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537817&usePUB=true
2 SOUR @S342@
3 PAGE October 7th 1852, issue 341, p.3
3 OBJE @M426@
2 OBJE @M420@
2 OBJE @M424@
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE ABT 1819
2 PLAC Brighton, Sussex, England
3 MAP
4 LATI N50,8333
4 LONG W0,15
2 SOUR @S344@
3 PAGE Reference Number: SOBG/111/9
3 OBJE @M429@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=60391&h=6688318&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true
2 SOUR @S340@
3 PAGE Class: RG 9; Piece: 351; Folio: 184; Page: 72; GSU roll: 542620
3 OBJE @M419@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8767&h=6288375&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true
2 SOUR @S328@
3 PAGE Class: RG10; Piece: 606; Folio: 37; Page: 12; GSU roll: 818910
3 OBJE @M219@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7619&h=5312946&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537817&usePUB=true
2 OBJE @M420@
1 OCCU houtbewerker (carpenter)
2 SOUR @S339@
3 PAGE Class: HO107; Piece: 1635; Folio: 148; Page: 31; GSU roll: 193538
3 OBJE @M418@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8860&h=1647873&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true
2 SOUR @S344@
3 PAGE Reference Number: SOBG/111/9
3 OBJE @M429@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=60391&h=6688318&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true
2 SOUR @S328@
3 PAGE Class: RG10; Piece: 606; Folio: 37; Page: 12; GSU roll: 818910
3 OBJE @M219@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7619&h=5312946&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537817&usePUB=true
2 OBJE @M420@
1 RESI
2 DATE 1852
2 PLAC Hastings, Sussex, England
3 MAP
4 LATI N50,85
4 LONG E0,6
2 SOUR @S342@
3 PAGE October 7th 1852, issue 341, p.3
3 OBJE @M426@
2 OBJE @M427@
2 OBJE @M428@
1 CENS nu: Black Prince Road
2 DATE 1871
2 PLAC 15 Princess Street, St George the Martyr Southwark, London, England
2 SOUR @S328@
3 PAGE Class: RG10; Piece: 606; Folio: 37; Page: 12; GSU roll: 818910
3 OBJE @M219@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7619&h=5312946&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537817&usePUB=true
1 DEAT infirmary / hospital since 1868 (nu: Beaconsfield Road)
2 DATE 10 FEB 1876
2 PLAC St Saviours Union Newington Workhouse, 182 Westmoreland Road, Walworth, Surrey, England
3 MAP
4 LATI N51,4856
4 LONG W0,0842
2 SOUR @S329@
3 PAGE Reg. district: St Saviour Southwark; Volume: 1d; Page: 95
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8914&h=13423646&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true
2 OBJE @M416@
2 OBJE @M420@
2 CAUS bronchitis
1 NAME William Henry /Grayham/
2 OBJE @M417@
2 OBJE @M427@
2 OBJE @M428@
1 RESI
2 DATE 10 JAN 1876
2 PLAC St George the Martyr, London, England
3 MAP
4 LATI N51,5014
4 LONG W0,0928
2 SOUR @S344@
3 PAGE Reference Number: SOBG/111/9
3 OBJE @M429@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=60391&h=6688318&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true
1 OCCU schrijnwerker (joiner)
2 SOUR @S340@
3 PAGE Class: RG 9; Piece: 351; Folio: 184; Page: 72; GSU roll: 542620
3 OBJE @M419@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8767&h=6288375&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true
2 SOUR @S328@
3 PAGE Class: RG10; Piece: 606; Folio: 37; Page: 12; GSU roll: 818910
3 OBJE @M219@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7619&h=5312946&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537817&usePUB=true
1 OCCU meubelmaker (cabinet maker)
2 SOUR @S342@
3 PAGE October 7th 1852, issue 341, p.3
3 OBJE @M426@
2 OBJE @M427@
1 BIRT
2 DATE ABT 1819
2 PLAC Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England
3 MAP
4 LATI N51,1333
4 LONG E0,2833
2 SOUR @S339@
3 PAGE Class: HO107; Piece: 1635; Folio: 148; Page: 31; GSU roll: 193538
3 OBJE @M418@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8860&h=1647873&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true
1 NAME William Henry /Brayham/
2 SOUR @S339@
3 PAGE Class: HO107; Piece: 1635; Folio: 148; Page: 31; GSU roll: 193538
3 OBJE @M418@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8860&h=1647873&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true
1 CENS sinds 1893: Sudbury Street; verdwenen in 1960 bij de aanleg van Palac
2 CONC e Road; net ten noorden van de huidige Royal Street
2 DATE 1861
2 PLAC 14 Mary Street, Lambeth, Surrey, England
3 MAP
4 LATI N51,4994
4 LONG W0,1169
2 SOUR @S340@
3 PAGE Class: RG 9; Piece: 351; Folio: 184; Page: 72; GSU roll: 542620
3 OBJE @M419@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8767&h=6288375&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true
1 CENS HYPOTHESE !!!
2 DATE 1851
2 PLAC 20 All Saints Street, Hastings, Sussex, England
3 MAP
4 LATI N50,8585
4 LONG E0,595
2 SOUR @S339@
3 PAGE Class: HO107; Piece: 1635; Folio: 148; Page: 31; GSU roll: 193538
3 OBJE @M418@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8860&h=1647873&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true
1 NAME William /Graham/
2 SOUR @S328@
3 PAGE Class: RG10; Piece: 606; Folio: 37; Page: 12; GSU roll: 818910
3 OBJE @M219@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7619&h=5312946&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537817&usePUB=true
2 SOUR @S331@
3 PAGE 1858 > Cabieces-Cornes
3 OBJE @M441@
3 OBJE @M442@
3 OBJE @M443@
3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1904&h=13347017&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154538031&usePUB=true
1 FAMS @F10865@
1 FAMC @F11207@

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THE MODIFIED GEDCOM:

0 @I29724@ INDI

1 NAME William Henry /Graham/

2 SOUR @S344@

3 PAGE Reference Number: SOBG/111/9

3 OBJE @M429@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=60391&h=6688318&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true

2 SOUR @S340@

3 PAGE Class: RG 9; Piece: 351; Folio: 184; Page: 72; GSU roll: 542620

3 OBJE @M419@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8767&h=6288375&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true

2 SOUR @S328@

3 PAGE Class: RG10; Piece: 606; Folio: 37; Page: 12; GSU roll: 818910

3 OBJE @M219@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7619&h=5312946&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537817&usePUB=true

2 SOUR @S342@

3 PAGE October 7th 1852, issue 341, p.3

3 OBJE @M426@

2 OBJE @M420@

1 OBJE @M429@

1 OBJE @M419@

1 OBJE @M219@

1 OBJE @M426@

1 OBJE @M420@

2 OBJE @M424@

1 SEX M

1 BIRT

2 DATE ABT 1819

2 PLAC Brighton, Sussex, England

3 MAP

4 LATI N50,8333

4 LONG W0,15

2 SOUR @S344@

3 PAGE Reference Number: SOBG/111/9

3 OBJE @M429@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=60391&h=6688318&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true

2 SOUR @S340@

3 PAGE Class: RG 9; Piece: 351; Folio: 184; Page: 72; GSU roll: 542620

3 OBJE @M419@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8767&h=6288375&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true

2 SOUR @S328@

3 PAGE Class: RG10; Piece: 606; Folio: 37; Page: 12; GSU roll: 818910

3 OBJE @M219@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7619&h=5312946&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537817&usePUB=true

2 OBJE @M420@

1 OCCU houtbewerker (carpenter)

2 SOUR @S339@

3 PAGE Class: HO107; Piece: 1635; Folio: 148; Page: 31; GSU roll: 193538

3 OBJE @M418@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8860&h=1647873&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true

2 SOUR @S344@

3 PAGE Reference Number: SOBG/111/9

3 OBJE @M429@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=60391&h=6688318&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true

2 SOUR @S328@

3 PAGE Class: RG10; Piece: 606; Folio: 37; Page: 12; GSU roll: 818910

3 OBJE @M219@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7619&h=5312946&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537817&usePUB=true

2 OBJE @M420@

1 RESI

2 DATE 1852

2 PLAC Hastings, Sussex, England

3 MAP

4 LATI N50,85

4 LONG E0,6

2 SOUR @S342@

3 PAGE October 7th 1852, issue 341, p.3

3 OBJE @M426@

2 OBJE @M427@

2 OBJE @M428@

1 CENS nu: Black Prince Road

2 DATE 1871

2 PLAC 15 Princess Street, St George the Martyr Southwark, London, England

2 SOUR @S328@

3 PAGE Class: RG10; Piece: 606; Folio: 37; Page: 12; GSU roll: 818910

3 OBJE @M219@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7619&h=5312946&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537817&usePUB=true

1 DEAT infirmary / hospital since 1868 (nu: Beaconsfield Road)

2 DATE 10 FEB 1876

2 PLAC St Saviours Union Newington Workhouse, 182 Westmoreland Road, Walworth, Surrey, England

3 MAP

4 LATI N51,4856

4 LONG W0,0842

2 SOUR @S329@

3 PAGE Reg. district: St Saviour Southwark; Volume: 1d; Page: 95

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8914&h=13423646&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true

2 OBJE @M416@

2 OBJE @M420@

2 CAUS bronchitis

1 NAME William Henry /Grayham/

2 OBJE @M417@

2 OBJE @M427@

2 OBJE @M428@

1 RESI

2 DATE 10 JAN 1876

2 PLAC St George the Martyr, London, England

3 MAP

4 LATI N51,5014

4 LONG W0,0928

2 SOUR @S344@

3 PAGE Reference Number: SOBG/111/9

3 OBJE @M429@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=60391&h=6688318&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true

1 OCCU schrijnwerker (joiner)

2 SOUR @S340@

3 PAGE Class: RG 9; Piece: 351; Folio: 184; Page: 72; GSU roll: 542620

3 OBJE @M419@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8767&h=6288375&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true

2 SOUR @S328@

3 PAGE Class: RG10; Piece: 606; Folio: 37; Page: 12; GSU roll: 818910

3 OBJE @M219@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7619&h=5312946&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537817&usePUB=true

1 OCCU meubelmaker (cabinet maker)

2 SOUR @S342@

3 PAGE October 7th 1852, issue 341, p.3

3 OBJE @M426@

2 OBJE @M427@

1 BIRT
2 DATE ABT 1819

2 PLAC Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England

3 MAP

4 LATI N51,1333

4 LONG E0,2833

2 SOUR @S339@

3 PAGE Class: HO107; Piece: 1635; Folio: 148; Page: 31; GSU roll: 193538

3 OBJE @M418@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8860&h=1647873&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true

1 NAME William Henry /Brayham/

2 SOUR @S339@

3 PAGE Class: HO107; Piece: 1635; Folio: 148; Page: 31; GSU roll: 193538

3 OBJE @M418@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8860&h=1647873&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true

1 CENS sinds 1893: Sudbury Street; verdwenen in 1960 bij de aanleg van Palac

2 CONC e Road; net ten noorden van de huidige Royal Street

2 DATE 1861

2 PLAC 14 Mary Street, Lambeth, Surrey, England

3 MAP

4 LATI N51,4994

4 LONG W0,1169

2 SOUR @S340@

3 PAGE Class: RG 9; Piece: 351; Folio: 184; Page: 72; GSU roll: 542620

3 OBJE @M419@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8767&h=6288375&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true

1 CENS HYPOTHESE !!!

2 DATE 1851

2 PLAC 20 All Saints Street, Hastings, Sussex, England

3 MAP

4 LATI N50,8585

4 LONG E0,595

2 SOUR @S339@

3 PAGE Class: HO107; Piece: 1635; Folio: 148; Page: 31; GSU roll: 193538

3 OBJE @M418@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8860&h=1647873&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537501&usePUB=true

1 NAME William /Graham/

2 SOUR @S328@

3 PAGE Class: RG10; Piece: 606; Folio: 37; Page: 12; GSU roll: 818910

3 OBJE @M219@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7619&h=5312946&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154537817&usePUB=true

2 SOUR @S331@

3 PAGE 1858 > Cabieces-Cornes

3 OBJE @M441@

3 OBJE @M442@

3 OBJE @M443@

3 _LINK https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1904&h=13347017&ssrc=pt&tid=66478148&pid=46154538031&usePUB=true

1 FAMS @F10865@

1 FAMC @F11207@

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